Posted 31 October 2008 - 01:01 PM
All I feel is that M$ has given up on vista...
Posted 31 October 2008 - 02:44 PM
Posted 31 October 2008 - 06:44 PM
Edited by UHYVE, 31 October 2008 - 06:44 PM.
Posted 31 October 2008 - 11:27 PM
That's a ton of bloat, that's a lot of stuff that Microsoft would like to completely wash their hands of. To a small degree, they started to do that with the driver model in Vista. That's, so to speak, step one. Step two is to break compatibility with applications, and that's going to happen when they have a way to virtualize them, basically, put all applications, old and new, in their own completely safe sandbox where they can't mess anything up unless you explicitly allow them to. That's digressing though, and ultimately Windows 7 is basically Vista redux, and has virtually the same kernel, but has more polish.
This is much like the current Intel model. They have a 'tick' and a 'tock,' first they break with the past and design a new chip architecture using the existing fabrication technology, then they work on shrinking that down with upgraded fabrication, maintaining all the features. Windows Vista was a break with the past, with a new driver model and a lot of new features built into the kernel, and Windows 7 is virtually the same kernel, with minor enhancements, and a lot more polish with the implementation. So Windows 7 should be, hopefully will be, leaner and meaner. Windows 8, likely, will introduce another break, hopefully with fewer problems than Vista's.
Edited by Anpheus, 31 October 2008 - 11:28 PM.
Posted 06 January 2009 - 03:35 PM
Check the pretty:
Posted 11 January 2009 - 01:15 PM
Yeah, I've had my copy since 12/26 and it's been really bug free for the most part. I have yet to seriously use IE8 (I prefer Firefox), but I understand that's had some issues. Overall, solid build, solid UI and I'd recommend this to anyone who has Vista SP1...hell, I'd recommend it to everyone. It's that good.
So, I've just been trying out build 7000 of Windows 7... and it's good.
Posted 11 January 2009 - 06:29 PM
Posted 11 January 2009 - 06:35 PM
Posted 11 January 2009 - 07:35 PM
This is why initial reaction to 7 is so overwhelmingly positive: the majority of the problems with Vista in the first place were third party drivers.
7 does have a more modular kernel, better memory management, better lock management, a cleaner and more thoroughly tweaked UI, and other benefits. I don't want to dismiss the work the MSFT engineers did on the kernel, as they've done -a lot- to improve it and those improvements will only really show in certain performance benchmarks. For the most part, you and I won't notice it.
I'm going to be installing it on my desktop on an empty partition tomorrow evening, and I'll let you guys know how everything runs. Initial reports lead me to believe that there are essentially no compatibility problems with Vista, and all the features in it just work, without any problem.
Bottom line is, unless tomorrow's install experience contradicts the widespread public opinion and benchmarking, Windows 7 is what Vista should have been, but could not have been, due to that driver change. No matter what, Microsoft was going to have a problem there, whether they introduced it in Vista or 7 or 8 or whatever.
Edited by Anpheus, 11 January 2009 - 07:35 PM.
Posted 11 January 2009 - 08:55 PM
I can say that performance-wise, from my own experience, it runs incredibly smooth. I had Vista SP1 and operate with 1GB of RAM on this particular machine, running Photoshop, Dreamweaver, several Firefox tabs and a film, and I would have issues here and there. With Windows 7, there are none. I'm pretty certain this involves some of the elaborations Anpheus offered, because I know there is less throttling from a usability standpoint. The UAC nonsense has been largely alleviated, which was a major problem for me with Vista. The thing I like the most about the OS is the UI:
This image shows that I've completely customized my taskbar and start menu to reflect the directories and applications which are most important to me. You can pin to either of them and the taskbar designates what you have open and what you don't. When you have multiple windows of something open, you can run your cursor over each window (which appears like Vista) and close them out individually. Thanks to this new system, any launch programs like Rocketdock can be kicked to the curb because they are redundant and not as functional. And if you look to the far right you'll see a bar which is vertical against the time/date -- that's the peek option and it lets you take a look at your desktop without minimizing anything. The same exact function occurs when you rollover an existing program in your taskbar and highlight the popup window referencing it.
Here's a movie playing in the background to show how they reformatted WMP. I used VLC because of its format compatibility and its streamlined frame, but I have yet to go back to VLC since I've had this version of WMP. Also, not shown, both Wordpad and MS Paint have the ribbon from Office '07, very slick additions for those who don't want a full-bodied app like Word or Photoshop. In the above shot, I'm clicking on the arrow which shows you your systray. You can easily control and hide it like the linen room closet it should be but has never been. And of course, that doesn't include Libraries, the jump menu and the handful of other really cool changes they made here -- as well as the sleek glass finish.
Overall, Win7 has impressed me a great deal.
Posted 11 January 2009 - 11:04 PM
Posted 13 January 2009 - 08:59 PM
Edited by Anpheus, 13 January 2009 - 08:59 PM.
Posted 23 September 2009 - 10:39 AM
For anyone interested in a cheap copy of the best Windows OS to ever come out, if you have a .edu email address you can get a full version of either Win 7 Home Premium or Win 7 Pro at the link below.
Wow, nice find!! I still have my college address so I'm gonna do it!
Windows 7 really seems to be what Vista should have been. It does actually include a virtual XP environment for backwards compatibility, but -oopsie- it doesn't support direct3d. So that means it is only for business apps e.g. corporate customers with custom built business applications.
You'll still have the same old game compatibility problems.
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