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#41 mattacus

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Posted 28 October 2007 - 11:33 AM

My only worry about this game (and Mass Effect, for that matter) is Framerate. All the videos over which people have been soiling themselves have been pretty stuttery...

#42 Va1or

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Posted 28 October 2007 - 01:46 PM

Playing a game that involves a hero who is a Muslim man from a murderous sect who gets sent out to assassinate people just doesn't interest me at all. Add to this the fact that the people he assassinates will almost certainly be Christians (evil and violent Crusaders or not) and I'm even less interested. I find Islam so revolting that playing a murdering Islamic protagonist isn't even a rental for me. I'm not here to derail the thread into a religious or Crusade debate, so let's not go there. I just wanted to add my two cents.

Edited by Va1or, 28 October 2007 - 01:48 PM.


#43 Frost

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Posted 28 October 2007 - 01:58 PM

Playing a game that involves a hero who is a Muslim man from a murderous sect who gets sent out to assassinate people just doesn't interest me at all. Add to this the fact that the people he assassinates will almost certainly be Christians (evil and violent Crusaders or not) and I'm even less interested.

I find Islam so revolting that playing a murdering Islamic protagonist isn't even a rental for me. I'm not here to derail the thread into a religious or Crusade debate, so let's not go there. I just wanted to add my two cents.

Dude, who even notices stuff like that? Seriously. You can't even know that the guy is a Muslim. He speaks English without a noticeable accent, and looks rather caucasian from what we see of his face. There are supposed to be sci-fi elements in this game (time travel, I think?) so I doubt that he is even "from" the place where he is assassinating people. Ridiculous reason to not buy a game that looks totally kickasstacular.

#44 Nightshade

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Posted 28 October 2007 - 02:03 PM

Use spoiler tags Frost, WHY DO PEOPLE NOT USE THEM.

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Posted 28 October 2007 - 02:15 PM

Dude, who even notices stuff like that? Seriously. You can't even know that the guy is a Muslim.


Well you can if Ubisoft has said so. Here is a quote from Wikipedia:

The game takes place during the Third Crusade, in the year 1191. The player assumes the role of Alta?r (الطائر, Arabic, "The Flying One"), a member of the Hashshashin sect (the original "assassins") [This is an Islamic sect - Valor], whose objective is to slay the nine historical figures who are propagating the Crusades. As the player finds and kills these targets, their conspiracy is unveiled. The player will be able to travel through three cities: Jerusalem, Acre and Damascus.

The fact that you think it's a ridiculous notion to not purchase a game out of distaste for it's premise or protagonist is completely irrelevant to me.

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Posted 28 October 2007 - 02:22 PM

You can see the weird sci-fi-ness in the trailers. I did hear there was some story leak a while back but I've no idea how in depth it was as I didn't read it. I haven't heard about
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stuff anywhere though and usually, any big spoilers get posted all over message boards. From the weird effects in the trailers, I would speculate the whole thing being some sort of training simulation rather than
Spoiler
. PS I'm not meant to spoiler tag speculation am I?

Edited by UHYVE, 28 October 2007 - 02:25 PM.


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Posted 28 October 2007 - 02:24 PM

I'm not a fan of Islam, specifically the violent sects (as many of you already know), but the game looks good enough for me to rent - I understand Valor's opinion and definitely respect it, I just wouldn't own anything if I found myself having to agree with the religious or political ideas of the content/developers of a product. Not a buy though, that honor is reserved for Mass Effect only. I plan on renting BioShock, The Orange Box, Call of Duty 4 as well. Likely to be through GameFly or something. Edit: UHYVE, that's 'spoiler' not 'spoilers.' I saw you playing some campaign today. Would have seen if you wanted to coop, but I ran out of time. Maybe later. I heard through someone who's played a demo at a trade show that it doesn't involve time travel. Total Recall means Total Sequel.

#48 Frost

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Posted 28 October 2007 - 04:29 PM

Use spoiler tags Frost, WHY DO PEOPLE NOT USE THEM.

Possibly because

1. I was stating what is completely obvious from the trailers.
2. Speculating on a well-known fact. (That there will be sci-fi elements to the game.)

Get over the spoilaphobia already.

Edited by Frost, 28 October 2007 - 04:29 PM.


#49 Nightshade

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Posted 28 October 2007 - 08:20 PM

Possibly because

1. I was stating what is completely obvious from the trailers.
2. Speculating on a well-known fact. (That there will be sci-fi elements to the game.)

Get over the spoilaphobia already.

How was it completely obvious that there was time travel in Assassins Creed? I never knew about that fact until you had said it. Hence why I said to use spoilers.

#50 Frost

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Posted 29 October 2007 - 02:21 PM

How was it completely obvious that there was time travel in Assassins Creed? I never knew about that fact until you had said it. Hence why I said to use spoilers.

Next time you read a post, please make a conscious effort to understand it.

I never said that time-travel was obviously in Assassin's Creed. I said the fact that the main character looks Caucasian and speaks with an American English accent was completely obvious. I also said that I was speculating on the fact that there will be sci-fi elements in the game. I never said time-travel elements. That was speculation.

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Posted 29 October 2007 - 03:12 PM

lol

#52 Nightshade

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Posted 29 October 2007 - 04:47 PM

e. There are supposed to be sci-fi elements in this game (time travel, I think?) so I doubt that he is even "from" the place where he is assassinating people.

Well I can't imagine where I got the fact you were implying that this game did have time travel. Seemed more than just speculation to me.

Here?s what I knew after watching all the official stuff.

- Altair is a Muslim.
- Altair is from this time.
- Altair is assassinating people from this time.
- Not a single mention of time travel.
- Altair never has spoken in any of the trailers.

But then again, all I do is come on this forum to post random things to bother you with my inability to use reading comprehension.

Edited by Nightshade, 29 October 2007 - 04:48 PM.


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Posted 29 October 2007 - 04:58 PM

-ahem- Also memes. And Super Troopers quotes.

#54 mattacus

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Posted 29 October 2007 - 05:22 PM

Dudes, chill. The major gaming publications have been speculating time travel will be involved since E3. Those of you who had no inkling that time-travel might be involved have just not been paying attention. EDIT: And we all know that Muslims lack the technology to manipulate the 4th dimension.

Edited by mattacus, 29 October 2007 - 05:23 PM.


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Posted 29 October 2007 - 05:49 PM

EDIT: And we all know that Muslims lack the technology to manipulate the 4th dimension.

Sometimes I wonder....

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Posted 04 November 2007 - 02:53 AM

Impressions from Kobold on NeoGAF

The controls are intimidating at first. But if you are not a novice player, you will understand pretty quickly how awesome they are and how much freedom they give the character. Basically you have a 'normal' mode of play and an 'extreme' mode of play. When you press the right trigger you enter the 'extreme' mode of play and everything you do, like walking, pushing are the more aggressive variant. So a normal walk becomes a run and a slow 'thinking trot' becomes sprinting plus jumping and a slight push to pass becomes a full grab to toss people out of the way or to push through crowds at high speed and tackle opponents. (riding on horse works similarly, easy trot and full gallop, etc. amazing animations on the horse, btw)

That's basically the entire premise. Use the 'normal' mode if you want to go undetected, strolling around the amazingly detailed, crowded HUGE SCALE cities and use extreme mode when you are on the run, scaling buildings, killing people from mid-air and hanging from rooftops, etc. It's crazy.

Guards will generally not be alerted to your presence, even if you run for a little, depending on their state of alarm or their patrol state, but they will get more aware of you if you bump into people and do crazy stuff. You can climb ladders no problem, but actually being on roofs may be a little suspicious to guards on the roofs. (This is also genius, there is actually a path to follow for the guards to most rooftops, since they are not free-run maniacs like you. Some are speedy and athletic though and can follow you pretty well when free-running later on). Generally you should not be near area’s where there is people you just killed, deranged people, thugs and guards with hands on swords. Otherwhilse you can walk pretty free until you do crazy stuff. Some chases can get totally amazing and long since when you are sprinting high speed through the streets to get away you are likely to attract more guards that set chase. I’ve literally seen tens of guards flood the roof where I hid in a curtained roof lounging area, who were apparently all alerted after a particularly long chase. Crazy sight!

Fighting the guards and characters is pretty well done too. You basically lock on to a target, but you are pretty free to lounge out to other characters involved in the fight. You kill with counter-moves and combo’s (which are both tricky at first). Also you can get grabbed and tossed, counter-toss, grab other weapons mid-fight (real-time weapons change) to finish opponents on the ground, etc. I love countering with the hidden blade, it has the most gruesome moves you can image, like impaling enemies heads with the blade, stabbing multiple times, etc. but you can’t actually block with it. Guards also do feints and some cower in fear, after you killed their mates. Great fighting engine! Also you can kill anyone on the street, but if it’s an innocent you will get punished for disrespecting the assassin’s creed. You can kill grandiose or stealth too. With stealth, you stab someone in the back and he will stay standing while you move away then fall, with the grandiose kill, you jump right on top of him and finish him for all to see. The later one works over greater distance then the silent kill, which has you standing virtually against the victim.

So the game is made just as well vertically as horizontally, on both 'planes' you have ample hiding spots to get rid of guards that may give chase, for example by sitting on a bench between some inconspicuous people while the guards run by, or in lavish roof-lounges with curtains, or in a group of praying monks, stacks of hay, etc. But you first have to lose line of sight, by either sprinting your ass off and using the citizens you helped for cover, they may hold chasing guards so you can escape, or taking to the roofs and just climbing like crazy until they can't follow you anymore, then jumping (with incredible style) into a cart with hay. The later jump points are always very subtly pointed out by you by for example flocks or birds sitting on a ledge (means you can jump there to a safe spot) or a particular texture, etc.

Climbing is amazing, you can grab every potruding part of a building, it just looks so good. The animations for the main character are truly a work of art.

Also, many don't know the game knows a very nice character progress system. It's not leveling, but it's close. You gain more 'life' points and weapons throughout the game by completing the missions. But, most important, you re-gain your lost abilities as you start the game as a demoted master assassin with only the basic skills.

The research for the kills is nicely done too, very in-detail if you want, you can plan the entire thing on the map, or you can just do the minimal work and see how it goes. Basically you do some pick pocketing, eavesdropping and interrogation to get information on positions of guards, the target, his habits, where you can find him, that will make the kill easier, since you can prepare by taking out guards beforehand, clearing a path and plotting escape etc. The kill itself is sometimes easier, sometimes tremendously hard to get done. Pretty challenging and nice to try a couple of times to see if you can find different ways.

Obviously don't want to give away too much, but the gaming world is basically five part. Three tremendously detailed and huge cities with their own style and lighting, (obviously they share some things) and the smaller (but amazing looking) home enclave of the assassins and also the Kingdom, which is a HUGE are with small villages, mountain passes and awesome design work and spots to explore.

Asides from the kill missions and the research you need to gather, there is tons of spots where you can help citizens and get some aid enlisted which may make things easier and there are like 400 flags to find around the world or something, all hidden at high and low spots, also some other cool 'search' missions where you will have to defeat a certain number or followers of a certain knighthood, hidden around the realms which are quite hard at the beginning since they have a full set of combat moves, and you almost none.

Favorites are also the missions you do for some other assassin's in the cities, killing people quietly or doing rooftop races and getting information in return. Also the pick pocketing rules! You can steal from thugs in the game, get throwing knives back you used, which is great fun. I feel there could have been much, much more of these sorts of missions, though, even if they were just unrelated to the story. Because they are so much fun.

The graphics are truly awe inspiring. Best animations and everythings ever. Never have my eyeballs witnessed such grandeur, scale and epic detail in a title. I really don't want to use more words to describe the utter genius and obviously monumental work, that went into designing this world. I’ll just use love.

Tiny footnote on the story: It's amazing and your brain will explode!


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Posted 08 November 2007 - 05:45 PM

So whats the verdict? Are you: Buying Renting No-thanx-ing

#58 Nightshade

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Posted 08 November 2007 - 05:50 PM

Buying.

#59 Gamble

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Posted 08 November 2007 - 05:51 PM

I would buy it if I had the money. I'm going try to rent if Blockbuster has it when I go.

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Posted 08 November 2007 - 05:53 PM

Can't wait for this game, comes out this Tuesday right?


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