Jiralhanae: Past and Present
Posted 17 January 2007 - 04:10 PM
That said, when I saw the "Et Tu Brute" Vidoc, I was pleased to see how they had changed, though it did leave some inconsistencies in my mind. We know that Tartarus was a Chieftain, perhaps the most high ranking, and that the Brutes that followed him were almost certainly of his Tribe. In terms of garb, of course, they wore those bandoliers, sometimes helmets, arm bands, etc., but were of course, essentially naked. I suppose that particular tribe viewed things such as extensive and elaborate clothing, armor, etc. was silly, and even cowardly: on the Great Journey, I have heard Tartarus say something like "That fancy armor of yours does nothing". Another line like this is that some Brutes might say "A true hunter shows his flesh", or something like that. That to me suggests that is why they dressed so differently from their Halo 3 counterparts; they are well aware of the need to provide some protection, but they are more interested in showing their natural abilities instead. In other words, they are minimalists when it comes to protection.
Now for the Halo 3 Brutes, I noticed some armor variations, even in the Vidoc. Amongst the regulars, I noticed that the most common ones had an almost turquoise armor color, and no shoulder pads. There were also Brutes of that type that had blue armor, but more importantly, they had shoulder pads, and they seemed to be rarer than the turquoise type. I also remember in Halo 2, the ones who were either unarmored or only had a helmet, but no shoulder pads were Brute Minors, and those that had a helmet and shoulder pads were majors. That got me thinking, though they said that their were basically regulars, captains, and chieftains, the apparent variation in color and numbers amongst these regular brutes suggests that perhaps the bluer ones are majors, while the more turquoise ones are minors. The overall placement of leg belts and so on on the regulars and captains reminds me of the armor variations in Halo 1.
Anyway, now that Tartarus is gone, and many of his Brutes are dead, I wonder where that tribe stands in comparison to the other tribes, especially the other Alpha Tribes, which were mentioned by the Sangheili Imperial Admiral in Ghosts of Onyx. Tartarus's tribe seemed to have been one the top Alpha Tribes, and perhaps his seeming might and so on allowed him to be the confidant of the Hierarchs. Now that the Great Journey has not started, I wonder if Tartarus's tribe has been penalized in some manner, since that seemed to have been their duty, and I wonder if they will make an appearance in Halo 3, albeit more refined of course. On the other hand, the concept art in the Vidoc suggests that their will be more than just those three classes, such as that backpack, beam rifle toting brute, perhaps a sniper and/or scout, a masked brute, perhaps a space combat brute, etc. The Chieftains also appear to have different levels and so on, and I suspect that the golden fellows are lesser chieftains, and the red fellows are higher chieftains. Also, there seems to be an "Alpha" brute rank, which had Gargantum in Ghosts of Onyx as an example. Maybe the Alphas, if they are in Halo 3, are above captains but beneath the varying grades of chieftains? Maybe they are the equivalent of the Elite Ultras/Spec-Ops commanders, while the chieftains, are of course, at the top. I also suspect that the chieftains that we have seen so far are not the only kinds, perhaps Bungie will have more than two varieties?
Posted 17 January 2007 - 07:08 PM
Posted 17 January 2007 - 07:28 PM
Edited by Howling_Darkness, 17 January 2007 - 07:41 PM.
Posted 17 January 2007 - 07:44 PM
Posted 17 January 2007 - 09:23 PM
Posted 23 January 2007 - 11:30 PM
Edited by Howling_Darkness, 23 January 2007 - 11:30 PM.
Posted 24 January 2007 - 05:13 AM
It could have been talking about a species like Tartarus'...or as Mark MacDonald calls him: TAR-TAIR-RUS. I'm not opposed to several different types of Brutes and I think that the three basic types presented in the Vidoc only represent the surface of the Brute hierarchy.
Besides, in Ghosts of Onyx, the Brutes that Fred and company ran into did not sound like the Halo 3 Brutes at all, for the one that Fred ran almost head-long into was described as a towering, steel-gray skinned creature covered in thick slabs of muscle, plainly visible, and no armor or anything was described; this does not sound like a Halo 3 Brute.
Posted 26 January 2007 - 10:13 PM
In fact, they actually explain the difference between the H2 and H3 Brutes; the former were basically barbarians, while the latter are the result of being taken into the fold of the Covenant, with the inevitable cultural mixing. So the answer was probably in front of me the whole time.:wallbash:
The real question now is, how long have they been in the Covenant? Their hatred and rivalry with the Sangheili is ancient, so relative to the age of the Covenant, suggests that they have been there for a while. They would really need an extensive period of time to integrate and to have worked their way up to their current level. Also, maybe their ascension was decades or centuries in the making, and perhaps that plan had only really taken off recently, as one Unggoy said in the Conversations of the Universe, that the Prophets had been showing them favor in recent months, prior to the current state of events. Maybe the Prophets had always intended to not only have them join, but also usurp the Sangheil? :ninja:
Posted 27 January 2007 - 12:08 AM
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Posted 29 January 2007 - 02:28 PM
Brutes are also not free thinkers - they don't think for themselves. Elites, on the other hand...they're clearly a different story.
You're right about them not thinking for themselves. How Tartarus reacted to the truth is a good example. He hesitated, as though completely dumbfounded and unsure of what to do, and then acted like any religious fanatic would do, clinging to their beliefs, and doing what they were set on doing. Why they are that way is very clear, given an irrational desire, like all the loyalist Covenant, for salvation, and their jealousy of the Elite's position, but why they joined is a mystery. It seems that all the races, except for maybe the Jackals, joined the Covenant out of some desperate situation, be it the Hunter's subjugation, or perhaps being conquered.
Maybe it will be disclosed in the game, or some other means.
Posted 29 January 2007 - 07:02 PM
Edited by Nightshade, 29 January 2007 - 07:04 PM.
Posted 31 January 2007 - 09:38 PM
Well when the Prophets and Elites started the Covenant, they basicly either wiped out the race, or the race joined the Covenant. They talk about this in Halo 2 before the Arbiter gets his armor. This is brought up as the "taming" of the hunters. So basicly any races besides the Elites joined for this reason.
Not entirely. The part about the taming of the Hunters was regarding the historical and societal role of the Arbiter, not a generalized summary of the Covenant's absorption of other species. That came in one of Regret's sermons, and the deleted scenes on the LE H2 disk. It was stated that most races encountered by the early Covenant were readily compelled to join, but some were not willing, and were either wiped out, or subjugated, as the Hunters were specifically.
This means some underwent a cultural conversion and recruitment, some enslaved, and others simply exterminated.
Besides, I was talking about the Brutes, not the overall Covenant, despite the mentions of the other races I made. I should have been clearer with my question: 'How and when did the Brutes enter the Covenant?'
I was speculating that they specifically were recruited via cultural conversion, as their favoritism in the eyes of the Prophets would probably not be present if they were simply a primitive species that was enslaved via conquest.
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